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Virtua Fighter is more of an example of a good game that got overshadowed. It was the pioneer in 3-D fighting and insanely popular in Japan. The original Tekken was largely a pale imitation. Virtua Fighter 2 > Tekken 2, even though the latter had definitely improved. Tekken 3 is where Tekken started to pull ahead, mostly because Sega never did release a Saturn version of VF3 and the late port for Dreancasr got overshadowed by SoulCalibur. VF got hamstrung by being tied to Sega hardware especially since the Saturn failed in the West. Tekken got a big boost by being the PlayStation’s signature fighting series. 

It’s too bad Sega didn’t capitalize more on its PlayStation debut. Tekken 4 was not a good game, while Virtua Fighter 4 was amazing. In a just world, Tekken should have been the also-ran. 



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Salnax said:

A Few More Examples:

  • Banjo-Tooie - Back in 2000, this game was seen as a bigger and better sequel to the original Banjo-Kazooie, with big open levels. Nowadays, the game is considered the weaker of the duo for the exact same reason.
  • Chrono Cross - Had a Metascore of 94 and perfect scores from reviewers like GameSpot, PSX Nation, PlayStation Magazine, etc. But when was the last time people talked about it?
  • Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters - Was seen as a technical marvel on the PSP, but even a year or two after launch, the game was being criticized for being short, clunky, and having poor level design.
  • Tekken 2 - This was a massive hit in arcades and on PlayStation, but is mostly overlooked nowadays in favor of the latter Tekken 3, which had a better emphasis on 3D movement, more polished mechanics, more modes, and Gon.
  • Vagrant Story - A universally acclaimed action-RPG, Famitsu's best-reviewed PS1 game, with a renowned story. Nowadays, it's the practically forgotten Ivalice game.
  • Virtua Fighter (series) - The original was one of the most influential games in history, VF2 was the biggest game on Saturn, and VF4 arguably the top rated game of the PS2 era. But nowadays, people barely noticed when Sega announced they're making a new major entry.

People talk about Cross all the time. VF got a huge reaction to the new one. Vagrant gets YT vids all the time about it in retro circles.



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Leynos said:
Salnax said:

A Few More Examples:

  • Banjo-Tooie - Back in 2000, this game was seen as a bigger and better sequel to the original Banjo-Kazooie, with big open levels. Nowadays, the game is considered the weaker of the duo for the exact same reason.
  • Chrono Cross - Had a Metascore of 94 and perfect scores from reviewers like GameSpot, PSX Nation, PlayStation Magazine, etc. But when was the last time people talked about it?
  • Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters - Was seen as a technical marvel on the PSP, but even a year or two after launch, the game was being criticized for being short, clunky, and having poor level design.
  • Tekken 2 - This was a massive hit in arcades and on PlayStation, but is mostly overlooked nowadays in favor of the latter Tekken 3, which had a better emphasis on 3D movement, more polished mechanics, more modes, and Gon.
  • Vagrant Story - A universally acclaimed action-RPG, Famitsu's best-reviewed PS1 game, with a renowned story. Nowadays, it's the practically forgotten Ivalice game.
  • Virtua Fighter (series) - The original was one of the most influential games in history, VF2 was the biggest game on Saturn, and VF4 arguably the top rated game of the PS2 era. But nowadays, people barely noticed when Sega announced they're making a new major entry.

People talk about Cross all the time. VF got a huge reaction to the new one. Vagrant gets YT vids all the time about it in retro circles.

I guess I'm kind of oblivious.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
  • Bubsy comes to mind. It was very acclaimed at launch, which resulted in several sequels and partnerships coming, but nowadays it's mostly laughed or facepalmed at. Even Bubsy 3D didn't really get any bad reviews at the time, but now it's considered one of the worst games ever.
  • Battle Arena Toshiden, which got glowing reviews but later got completely overshadowed by Soul Edge and the Soul Calibur series since it did pretty much everything better than BAT, and now is mostly considered just a middling game
  • Civilization III, once considered miles better than II, is now generally seen as by far the worst of the bunch.
  • Zelda II: The Adventure of Link was one of the most acclaimed titles on the NES, but after A Link to the Past on the SNES it'svery different gameplay to the rest of the series and sometimes absurd diffculty made it the most hated Zelda title for a very long time. Thankfully, it's slowly getting reappreciated, with an enhanced remake on PC having been made by some indie developer, so hopefully it will get it's status restored.

Bubsy 3D? got BAD reviews: SM64 was already in the market. Bubsy 3D was just awful to play after SM64. Maybe as a PSX game in late 1994, during the japanese launch...would had some good reviews. But by late 1996? and mid-1997 in Europe? it was just panned by the reviews.
So, what Sony did? buyed the studio, Eidetic, to make the Syphon Filter series games (a studio the only serious game was Bubsy 3D. Its previous "games?" were products for the Apple's Newton failed proto-PDA. But, hey, apparently it worked for Sony. Don't know how XD). They also did a Resistance game for PSP, and a pair of Uncharted games for Vita. Oh, and the forgotten "Days Gone" for PS4. Yeah, Sony's Bend Studio is the very same studio that created Bubsy 3D for Accolade 30 almost years ago.

Toshinden problem started way before Sould Edge, and was called Tekken 2. Soul Edge was later. The sequel, Soul Calibur, was not even a PSX game. Well, in fact, the arcade game runs in a PSX based board, but Namco never "ported" the game to the domestic PSX. Instead, decided to make an "upgraded port" (more like a REMAKE) for the incoming Dreamcast. That DC game became an instant classic because it was a visual shocking show for everyone, with a fan-tas-tic gameplay. Soul Calibur in DC was so impressive, it became a synonim for the machine, like SM64 was for N64. And was a NAMCO game for a SEGA console! just after PSX era!

Zelda II is a very underrated game. Not that great in graphics, ok, but it really hooked me as any other NES game never did. I enjoyed it a lot more than the first one when I finished both. And I was already a fan of the GB Zelda game (Awakening). So... it was a surprise for me, because Zelda II already had a very very bad fame since many years before I played it. A curious thing is... I never liked SNES Zelda. I do not know why, i do not like that game. I tried many times, and I can't. So...  i defend Zelda II and I dismiss Zelda A Link to the Past. That's enough to be expelled from any Zelda fan secret lodge :(



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As a series, Soulcalibur has pretty much faded. Went from being the killer app on the Dreamcast - a great feat considering that Sega and Namco were traditionally rivals in the arcade - to SCII being one of the Gamecube's most well-loved titles thanks to Link having a cameo - to an uncertain future after a string of uneven sequels.



At launch, Uncharted 3 was hailed as one of the best games ever made by many, but over time perception of it has soured somewhat.

It's still a great game, for my money, just not quite as good as its predecessor.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
  • Bubsy comes to mind. It was very acclaimed at launch, which resulted in several sequels and partnerships coming, but nowadays it's mostly laughed or facepalmed at. Even Bubsy 3D didn't really get any bad reviews at the time, but now it's considered one of the worst games ever.
  • Battle Arena Toshiden, which got glowing reviews but later got completely overshadowed by Soul Edge and the Soul Calibur series since it did pretty much everything better than BAT, and now is mostly considered just a middling game
  • Civilization III, once considered miles better than II, is now generally seen as by far the worst of the bunch.
  • Zelda II: The Adventure of Link was one of the most acclaimed titles on the NES, but after A Link to the Past on the SNES it'svery different gameplay to the rest of the series and sometimes absurd diffculty made it the most hated Zelda title for a very long time. Thankfully, it's slowly getting reappreciated, with an enhanced remake on PC having been made by some indie developer, so hopefully it will get it's status restored.

No. Bubsy was never that highly regarded. Zelda II is one of those people didn't like then but have come around on. Now realizing how good it is.



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I just thought about it: Would not like every game made prior to the 1990 fit this "formerly acclaimed" label? They have almost all aged horribly (Kirby's Adventure is an infamous example of this w/ its insane performance issues), yet ppl loved them back in the day.



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SanAndreasX said:

Virtua Fighter is more of an example of a good game that got overshadowed. It was the pioneer in 3-D fighting and insanely popular in Japan. The original Tekken was largely a pale imitation. Virtua Fighter 2 > Tekken 2, even though the latter had definitely improved. Tekken 3 is where Tekken started to pull ahead, mostly because Sega never did release a Saturn version of VF3 and the late port for Dreancasr got overshadowed by SoulCalibur. VF got hamstrung by being tied to Sega hardware especially since the Saturn failed in the West. Tekken got a big boost by being the PlayStation’s signature fighting series. 

It’s too bad Sega didn’t capitalize more on its PlayStation debut. Tekken 4 was not a good game, while Virtua Fighter 4 was amazing. In a just world, Tekken should have been the also-ran. 

Tekken 1 and 2 were more a sister series to Virtua Fighter than imitations, because they were made by Virtua Fighter's co-creator. It's similar in a sense to Everybody's Golf vs Mario Golf.

I wouldn't call Tekken 4 a mediocre game but I agree that it's one of the weaker entries in the series as opposed to VF4 being one of the best fighting games ever. Sad what happened to the series, was probably a mistake that they made VF4 a PS2 exclusive, but Sega was weird with their exclusivity choices. As weird as Altus is today. They threw their games around randomly and hoped something sticked. In their defence though, they had no experience developing games on other platforms.

It might have beaten DoA as Xbox's main fighting game. Fingers crossed the upcoming VF is successful enough to coexist with Tekken. But I'm not sure Yakuza's studio can pull that off...

Leynos said:
Salnax said:

People talk about Cross all the time. VF got a huge reaction to the new one. Vagrant gets YT vids all the time about it in retro circles.

Chrono Cross and Vagrant Story are still often mentioned as two of PS1's best games. But Cross is divisive due to being very different from Trigger. Everyone would have remembered it more fondly if it were an original title.

Three quick picks of mine:

1. GTA4 gotta be the most overrated game of all time per consensus.

2. I loved MGS4 but it's obviously seen as the tied weakest entry in the main series.

3. The Elder Scrolls Oblivion seems to have gotten reduced to a memes, but maybe I'm wrong and the original fans still hail it. It's just beyond me how this and GTA4 scored in the high 90's. There are some things in the world you're never meant to understand lol.