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MacLeod Andrews
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David Joy
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Winner of the 2023 Willie Morris Award for Southern Fiction
Winner of the 2023 Thomas Wolfe Memorial Literary Award
Winner of the 2024 Sir Walter Raleigh Award
One of Vanity Fair’s Favorite Books of 2023
“A beautifully fearless contemplation.”–S. A. Cosby
From award-winning writer David Joy comes a searing new novel about the cracks that form in a small North Carolina community and the evils that unfurl from its center.
Toya Gardner, a young Black artist from Atlanta, has returned to her ancestral home in the North Carolina mountains to trace her family history and complete her graduate thesis. But when she encounters a still-standing Confederate monument in the heart of town, she sets her sights on something bigger.
Meanwhile, local deputies find a man sleeping in the back of a station wagon and believe him to be nothing more than some slack-jawed drifter. Yet a search of the man’s vehicle reveals that he is a high-ranking member of the Klan, and the uncovering of a notebook filled with local names threatens to turn the mountain on end.
After two horrific crimes split the county apart, every soul must wrestle with deep and unspoken secrets that stretch back for generations. Those We Thought We Knew is an urgent unraveling of the dark underbelly of a community. Richly drawn and bracingly honest, it asks what happens when the people you’ve always known turn out to be monsters, what do you do when everything you ever believed crumbles away?
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Critic reviews
One of:
Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Best Southern Books of 2023
Garden & Gun’s Best Books for (and About) Southerners of 2023
BookRiot’s 10 Best Appalachian Books of 2023
CrimeReads's Most Anticipated Crime Fiction of Summer 2023
"[David Joy] is a man who sees his homeplace clearly and who writes like his hand was touched by God." —The New York Times
"[A] bracing novel…both a murder mystery and a deeply intimate story of generational relationships and loss." —Vanity Fair
"A refreshing departure…Joy has a knack for heightening intrigue…. He’s like a magician playing a shell game, and it’s an effective way to keep readers on their toes. The book is filled with gorgeous prose, particularly when Joy turns his considerable talents toward descriptions of the natural world." —Atlanta Journal Constitution
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A breakthrough research project has detected an active gene present in all known psychopaths and developed a vaccine to make it completely dormant. Society has rejoiced the extinction of the sociopathic mind. There hasn’t been a serial killing in America in over 40 years. Sheriff MacArthur Gray resides in the future but lives in the past. His world views have chased him from a large metropolis to his home town, but there is no sanctuary to be found after he arrives. Because people are dying and only he can see the truth. A psychopath has somehow survived and is thriving.
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widow Town
- By Michelle on 07-25-19
By: Joe Hart
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June Bug
- By: Chris Fabry
- Narrated by: Chris Fabry
- Length: 10 hrs and 20 mins
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For as long as she can remember, June Bug and her father have traveled the back roads of the country in their beat-up RV, spending many nights parked at Walmart. One morning, as she walks past the greeter at the front of the store, her eyes are drawn to the pictures of missing children, where she is shocked to see herself. This discovery begins a quest for the truth about her father, the mother he rarely speaks about, and ultimately herself.
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Get Out The Box Of Tissues
- By 20eagle16 on 07-03-21
By: Chris Fabry
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Red Gold
- By: Robert D. Kidera
- Narrated by: Richard Poe
- Length: 7 hrs and 16 mins
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Shaken by the death of his beloved wife and wrestling with powerful personal demons, Professor Gabriel McKenna leaves New York City for New Mexico to claim an inheritance from mysterious distant relatives. He finds something other than a Land of Enchantment. Unseen enemies threaten his life. Old friends turn up and rally to his side. Together they plunge into a lethal struggle for a 19th century treasure, the fabled Lost Adams gold.
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I loved it
- By Gary H on 12-20-17
By: Robert D. Kidera
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Provinces of Night
- By: William Gay
- Narrated by: Dick Hill
- Length: 11 hrs and 29 mins
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E.F. Bloodworth has returned to his home - a forgotten corner of Tennessee - after 20 years of roaming. The wife he walked out on has withered and faded, his three sons are grown and angry. Warren is a womanizing alcoholic, Boyd is driven by jealousy to hunt down his wife's lover, and Brady puts hexes on his enemies from his mamma's porch. Only Fleming, the old man's grandson, treats him with the respect his age commands, and sees past all the hatred to realize the way it can posion a man's soul.
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Story and Narration a perfect match
- By 99hedys on 10-03-15
By: William Gay
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Of Mice and Minestrone
- Hap and Leonard: The Early Years (Hap and Leonard)
- By: Kathleen Kent - introduction, Kasey Lansdale - contributor, Joe R. Lansdale
- Narrated by: JD Jackson
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Hap Collins looks like a good ol’ boy. But even in his misspent youth, his best pal is Leonard Pine, who is Black, gay, and the ultimate outsider. Inseparable friends, Hap and Leonard climb into the boxing ring, visit their families, get in bar fights, and just go fishing - all the while confronting racists, righting wrongs, and eating a whole lot of delicious food.
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Wringing every last drop
- By 🔥 Phx17 🔥 on 04-08-23
By: Kathleen Kent - introduction, and others
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Dry Bones in the Valley
- A Novel
- By: Tom Bouman
- Narrated by: Joe Barrett
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In Wild Thyme, Pennsylvania, secrets and feuds go back generations. The lone policeman in a small township on the sparse northern border, Henry Farrell expected to spend his mornings hunting and fishing, his evenings playing old-time music. Instead, he has watched the steady encroachment of gas drilling bring new wealth and erode neighborly trust. The drug trade is pushing heroin into the territory. There are outlaws cooking meth in the woods, guys Henry grew up with. When a stranger turns up dead, Henry’s search for the killer will open old wounds.
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Authentic background, excellent narration.
- By Patricia McKinney on 03-11-15
By: Tom Bouman
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All These Bodies
- By: Kendare Blake
- Narrated by: Matt Godfrey
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Summer 1958. A gruesome killer plagues the Midwest, leaving behind a trail of bodies completely drained of blood. Michael Jensen, an aspiring journalist whose father happens to be the town sheriff, never imagined that the Bloodless Murders would come to his backyard. Not until the night the Carlson family was found murdered in their home. Marie Catherine Hale, a diminutive 15-year-old, was discovered at the scene — covered in blood. She is the sole suspect in custody.
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Superb
- By Sara Jane on 10-04-21
By: Kendare Blake
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The Man in the Crooked Hat
- By: Harry Dolan
- Narrated by: Joel Richards
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Private investigator Jack Pellum has spent two years searching for the man he believes murdered his wife - a man he last saw wearing a peacoat and a fedora. Months of posting flyers and combing through crime records yields no leads. Then a local writer commits suicide, and he leaves a bewildering message that may be the first breadcrumb in a winding trail of unsolved murders....
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Crazy Glue'd Me To Story
- By Ted on 01-11-18
By: Harry Dolan
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A False Dawn
- By: Tom Lowe
- Narrated by: Michael David Axtell
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Before the death of his wife, Sean O'Brien makes a promise to her that he has no plans to break - until he starts building a new life in an old cabin on a remote stretch of a tropical river in the heart of Florida. It's there that he discovers an injured young woman who whispers a cryptic message into his ear.
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Wonderful first novel in the Sean O'Brien series
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House of Sand and Fog
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In this riveting novel of almost unbearable suspense, three fragile yet determined people become dangerously entangled in a relentlessly escalating crisis. Colonel Behrani, once a wealthy man in Iran, is now a struggling immigrant willing to bet everything he has to restore his family's dignity. Kathy Nicolo is a troubled young woman whose house is all she has left, and who refuses to let her hard-won stability slip away from her. Sheriff Lester Burdon becomes obsessed with helping her fight for justice.
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I suspect I am going to be in the minority . . .
- By BogKid on 01-12-04
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The Moonshine War
- By: Elmore Leonard
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Dual Meaders, Doc Taulbee, and their gang of city slickers set out to steal thousands of dollars worth of homemade Kentucky Whiskey from Son Martin, a hell-raising country boy, during the midst of Prohibition.
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Classic Elmore Leonard
- By David I. Williams on 01-28-12
By: Elmore Leonard
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When a Stranger Comes to Town
- By: Michael Koryta
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It's been said that all great literature boils down to one of two stories—a man takes a journey, or a stranger comes to town. While mystery writers have been successfully using both approaches for generations, there's something undeniably alluring in the nature of a stranger: the uninvited guest, the unacquainted neighbor, the fish out of water. In the newest collection of stories by the Mystery Writers of America, each author weaves a fresh tale surrounding the eerie feeling that comes when a stranger enters our midst, featuring stories by prolific mystery writers.
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The narrators are outstanding here.
- By Jennifer Baratta She/Her on 05-16-21
By: Michael Koryta
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The Nightmare Man
- By: J. H. Markert
- Narrated by: David Bendena
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Blackwood mansion looms, surrounded by nightmare pines, atop the hill over the small town of New Haven. Ben Bookman, bestselling novelist and heir to the Blackwood estate, spent a weekend at the ancestral home to finish writing his latest horror novel, The Scarecrow. Now, on the eve of the book’s release, the terrible story within begins to unfold in real life.
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The Nightmare Man
- By Kate Miffitt on 03-19-23
By: J. H. Markert
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Iron Lake
- Cork O'Connor, Book 1
- By: William Kent Krueger
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Anthony Award-winning author William Kent Krueger crafts this riveting tale about a small Minnesota town’s ex-sheriff who is having trouble retiring his badge. Cork O’Connor loses his job after being blamed for a tragedy on the local Anishinaabe Indian reservation. But he must set aside his personal demons when a young boy goes missing on the same day a judge commits suicide—and no one but O’Connor suspects foul play.
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Great New Series
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- 11-09-23
Good book
I liked this book - the story & the characters are dynamic and interesting, as they always are with David Joy's writing.
Macleod Andrews narration brings this book and its characters to life in a way that is hard to explain. He could bring depth and profundity to a buzzfeed listicle.
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- Sandra G
- 09-12-23
Amazing
This is an outstanding book. The writing is authentic and true, just like the characters. Hopefully this author will receive the recognition he deserves. A fiction writer myself I can be tough to please but for me, this book hit the sweet spot between excellent literature and chair-gripping suspense.
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- Getshotzi
- 09-28-23
Joy does it AGAIN
David Joy is a one in a lifetime talent who did something few could actually pull off, and he does it with gut wreching sincerity. All of his books leave me wondering how much he has left to give us. I want more from this author. Read any of his novels and you'll want more, too. Kudos to the narrator, as well, Fair warning: This book might make you confront some ugly truths about the people you think you've always known.
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- Amazon Customer
- 08-16-23
Powerful, authentic, beautifully written...
A story of struggle, examination of beliefs, and the tear of change. Loved the alternative perspectives of a rebel flag. Just getting people to question what they think they understand is a start to a humanity of acceptance, not fear. Thank you for telling a story that I pray will spark changes of heart.
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- Jay
- 08-19-23
Wow!!
Excellent Book and great narration. The beautiful ending made me cry! Highly recommended it. I Absolutely loved it💯💯
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- The Elf in the Kitchen
- 08-13-23
I Couldn't Put Down My Ears....
I have been a David Joy fan from his first book and put him in the same category of writing excellence as another amazing writer, Michael Farris Smith. I am also from Mississippi so am more than aware of the depth of emotion and volatility that unfolds. Tackling racism head on, Mr. Joy's book pulls no punches as this story evolves and revolves around a young woman's passion for justice and awareness and the devastating reactivity to maintain the status quo. This book to me is Mr. Joy's best work so far and the amazing narration by one of the best around, MacLeod REALLY Good"
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- A. Cooper
- 06-24-24
A re-examined life
I don’t know if it was the author’s intent, but I’ve found myself reexamining my entire small town Mississippi life and wondering how many “shared experiences” I’ve had with people who didn’t have the same experience at all. Beautifully written. Masterful storytelling. Compelling characters. Enlightening.
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- Phillip and Taylor
- 08-04-23
Best work yet.
As a fan of Joy’s work, I was excited to see what this book held. After finishing it, I’m not just happy, but proud for him having grown in his authorship with the ability to talk about and address many of the subjects brought up in this book, while still holding his own unique style. There are very few books I will reread, especially so soon after completing them but I believe I will be revisiting this one shortly and recommending it to many people along the way.
Additionally, MacLeod Andrews did a phenomenal job with this. One of the best readings I’ve heard from him.
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- Margie
- 05-18-24
Very good
I really enjoyed this book. I found it in my library and am so glad I listened. Story-great, narration-great.
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- Amazon Customer
- 06-23-24
exquisite writing about tuff stuff
David joy has exceptional capacity to depict some of life's darkest topics and characters in ways that keep readers wishing for more. He is as much a poet as novelist. His love of stories and storytelling keeps on expanding in topic and depiction. I look forward to his next endeavor.
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